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- Venezuela (5.7)
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- Dominican Republic (2.0)
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Cuba at 2.2? Really?
Not that I doubt the validity of those numbers, it's just that it seems odd. For Venezuela, it's obvious: effectively free gas=preposterous misuse of it. But what the hell do Cubans do to produce more CO2 per capita than Brazil, Colombia and Uruguay? Fart? Sigh a lot? Does constant crying really increase that much the CO2 emissions? It's not like there are more than 10 cars in working order in the whole island. And industry? Other than tobacco, what the hell do they produce that could cause CO2 emissions?
I can only guess that those numbers come from actual atmospheric measurements divided by population, and the Caribbean wind blows the CO2 into Cuba.
Or maybe JC is right and half of it does come from Hugo's mouth, and his constant visits to the island are screwing things up for the Cubans.
CO2: Venezuela tops France
Cuba's 2.2 metric tons of CO2 emissions per capita do not seem as surprising when we see that emissions of countries such as North Korea, Botswana and Mongolia are higher. Moreover, I would have not guessed that the emissions of Aruba and Trinidad & Tobago are even higher than the one's of the US.
It is rather amusing to think about Chavez's lecture when Venezuela' emits more CO2 per person than either France, Switzerland, or Sweden.
Cuba #5?
That's impossible.
CO2 is rationed in the island pairofdice.
Seriously tho? That can't be correct, unless it's CO2 emitted per unit of GNP.
Cuba at 2.2: Yes, it may well be
Please, don't forget that pollution has many factors, not only cars and industry.
The electrical system in Cuba is old and inefficient. It is mainly based on a network of small termoelectric plants burning fuel oil and, more recently, some mix of crude oil. That produces a LOT of GHG.
In the following link you'll find more information. It seems somehow biased but it also has some hard facts and interesting references:
http://ctp.iccas.miami.edu/FOCUS_Web/Issue68.htm
By the way, this is the system that Chavez is lately selling the Venezuelans as the solution to our electricity problems... future looks dark indeed...
Raw Data
I could not find the Table mentioned on this post, but here is the raw data (emissions per country). You can then divide by population size to get the per capita figure. Doing this, it is clear that Venezuela has the largest emissions in Latin America, excedding Mexico by roughly 10 fold and Brazil by 2-3.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/env_co2_emi-environment-co2-emissions = Emissions by country
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population = population by country
Good link but the data is a bit old
Two details about the first link you posted: (1) the page shows both the total emissions and the per capita amount, you just have to click the link at the top of the list. And (2) the data there is from 2003, so it's a bit outdated. In fact, the link shows Venezuela at 5.38, rather than the 5.7 from JC's article.
La Tercera
The Table is copied straight from La Tercera, a Chilean newspaper, from Friday's edition.
www.latercera.cl
Better List
Thanks for the tip!
I just found this list that has data from 1990 to 2006.
Venezuela is still at the top for Latinamerican countries, besting Brazil by a factor of 3. Mexico is a close to Venezuela. I had made a mistake in my earlier calculations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissio...
In fairness...
I like seeing statistics that really stick it to Chavez too, but in this case, it the disparity may not be entirely fair. There is a large amount of CO2 output associated with oil production. For example, look at the figures for Saudi Arabia, a relatively under-populated country.
Gentlemen, let us not stoop to the level of the PSFs in twisting and distorting the data to make our case. The fact that Venezuela's fuel consumption habits are so different as a result of the Government's absurd policy of subsidizing gasoline to where it is free, for all intents and purposes, is enough of a case against Chavez's "Environmentalist" credentials.
Is it so? Oil producing countries must produce
so much co2?
I understand Saudi Arabia's petrol price is also ridiculously cheap and men there (it is always men) prefer to drive their cars to any place no matter how close.
There must be a better way of measuring the ecological footprint...
Hello?
Roy,
How is it that we are distorting the data? The data speak for themselves. The issue is not what kind of activity produces the emissions. The issue is the emissions. Period!
We show the source of the data and the data themselves to point out that Chavez rhetoric is pure nonsense. Simple as that, Roy.
In Roy's (and Chavez's) defense
If you look at the wikipedia link you just posted, you'll notice that Venezuela's CO2 emissions per capita have been fairly steady since 1990. They increased in 1998, but before that the average was nearly 6 anyway. The last 3 years it has had a sharp increase, but only after it came down from 6.7 to 5.2.
So, the point that Chavez is to blame for an increase in CO2 production isn't valid, but the point that Chavez is a goddamn hypocrite who demonizes everyone for not bending over backwards to save the world while he won't move a finger is, however, quite valid.
Reportedly, the highest increase on CO2 emissions on the world
I believe it is worthwhile to check the following link and accompanying references:
http://devilsexcrement.com/2009/12/20/as-the-adoring-crowd-cheers-chavez-in-copenhagen-the-environmental-record-of-the-revolution-is-abysmal/
Indeed
Yes, Roy...your point is correct, but that was the point to begin with. No one is saying that Chavez has increased emissions, but rather that it is the height of hypocrisy to have the highest emission levels in Latin America and to keep pointing the finger at everybody else.
Global Warming and the Right
Perhaps this is somewhat of topic, but not totally. I just want to defend the conservative or right-of-center folks from the possibility of an unfair stereotype. There are many serious conservatives and right-of-center people who believe that global warming is largely caused by humanity and that it is a serious problem. In other words, it would be a mistake to stereotype conservatives as kooks who believe that Global Warming is a conspiratorial hoax, just like it would be a mistake to stereotype the environmentalists as Chavez groupies. This does not mean that these voices of the right agree with the left on what to do about Global Warming. But they do think that something must be done about it.
For three examples of thoughtful critiques from the right of the Copenhagen process you can check the following three posts:
http://uchicagolaw.typepad.com/beckerposner/2009/12/the-copenhagen-debac...
http://uchicagolaw.typepad.com/beckerposner/2009/12/failure-in-copenhage...
http://volokh.com/2009/12/21/do-we-need-global-governance-to-combat-glob...
Exactly right, Kolya
Actually, I'd count myself as a skeptic in this sense: I think it's heroic to try, but I don't think there's any way to make the politics of Emissions Reduction work. (I agree that the Free Rider problem is likely to prove insurmountable: any effective climate treaty would result in a dramatic fall in oil prices, but would require very high energy taxes to limit consumption. If a gallon of gas comes to cost 10 cents to produce but $3 to buy at the pump, you'll end up with massive contraband - gas as the new heroin.)
My guess is that over the next 10 years we're going to be hearing a lot more about climate change ADAPTATION and a lot less about prevention. You still do have 300 million South Asians living on land that will be sea-bed within a generation, and you're going to have to do something with them.
But the problem is that there is SO MUCH anti-rationalist lunacy on the right about climate change it's hard not to get a bit defensive. When people routinely, blithely accuse THE ENTIRE SCIENTIFIC PROFESSION of engaging in some sort of massive, sprawling conspiracy, you really have to take a deep breath and wonder what the hell has gone wrong with this civilization.
One can dream
Ah, if only Hugo Chavez had embraced the Climate-gate emails, wouldn't that have been a sight? Would PSFs' brains have exploded?
Don't ever say the entire scientific profession
because they always have a list of "recognized scientists" who
1) are creationists and/or
2) think the Global Warming is a fib from people who want to destroy America
3) think the US health system is just fine, don't mess with it, Americans have more chances to recover from cancer than England so don't-you-doctor-me!
3) whatever-comes-next-is-a-conspiracy-of-Islamo-marxists