22 thoughts on “Brazil turning the screws

  1. I don’t even know how to express the volcano of anger that piece set off in me. We’re now to the point where it’s an “Exclusive” for a foreign government to railroad us into following the constitution.

    Gua.
    Ta.
    FOCCCCC!!!!!

  2. And yet…it’s still important. An important signal to the Cubans that they’re not the only players who matter.

    Look, the Brazilians have been quiet or even approving as the Chavistas have shredded the rest of the Constitution for years (which shredding you outlined in a prior tour de force post)…

    So, yeah, this matters.

    • After well over a decade of pusillanimity, complicity, cynicism, outright meddling in Venezuelan internal affairs and laughing all the way to the bank, it will take more than anonymous hints from unnamed senior officials to repair Brazil’s dismal reputation and offer any hope of a change of heart. These are, after all, the same people that brought you the preposterous posturing over Honduras and Paraguay. It would matter if they could demonstrate any genuine political will to enforce impartially the Democratic Charter or the Ushuaia Protocol, both of which require action in the event of a breakdown in the constitutional order of member states (of the OAS and Mercosur respectively). Such a breakdown is already under way in Venezuela, in plain view, but the pen-pushers and jobsworths at Itamaraty haven’t even noticed.

      • I’ve been trying to shed light on Lula-Dilma-PT policies on Venezuela (and Paraguay, Honduras, Iran, etc.) as well as on Brazil’s internal issues for years, just to be called de brasileño reaccionario pa’ bajo. I couldn’t care less about labels, but it’s nice to see I was right all along. #Fresquito

  3. The fact that Brazil is considered an “honest broker” underscores just how disrespected the Venezuelan opposition is in Latin American circles. Brazil has spent decades pissing all over us and turning a blind eye to Chávez’s authoritarianism, and now we have to look to them to help safeguard our basic right?! Nomejo…

  4. Sure, how about sending a message to respect the Constitution TODAY. Marco Aurelio Garcia is a disgrace to Brazilian diplomacy. And Lula and Dilma have proven to be leftwing chulos, more interested in collecting their money. FT (Not Francisco Toro, guess!)

  5. This is welcome news. This means that there are discussions going on about regional pressure if things totally go off the rails. Things are off the rails, but they are not totally off the rails. Leadership can’t come from the U.S. The Colombians are probably hyper-sensitive of triggering another insane eruption from Miraflores. The intelligence (or rather, anyone’s intelligence) must be that Chavez has little time left. Brazil is…Brazil. Miraflores- of whatever the fuck you call the present government- has no interest in messing with Brazil.

    This is a welcome signal. What else could possibly happen? Charges of interference in internal affairs while Chavez is alive would increase support for Maduro and friends and have the opposite of the intended effect.

  6. Mr. Francisco Toro (and his readers),

    Vou escrever em português (excuse me, please!): no Brasil, há dois ministérios das Relações Exteriores – o Itamaraty e o Gabinete da Presidência de República capitaneado pelo Sr. Marco Aurélio Garcia, um quadro do PT oriundo do antigo marxismo clássico. Tem prevalecido o último nas decisões do governo sobre RI.

    Porém, grande parte da imprensa nacional tem interpretado a transição de governo na Venezuela como golpe de Estado e isso, é claro, pode ter influenciado esse último posicionamento do governo Dilma.

    Muitos admiram o chavismo aqui, mas o seu número de críticos não é menor. But I’m fight for liberty here and there.

    Que Venezuela sea libre!!!

    • André, sinto muito, mas não dá pra colocar a culpa só no filho da puta do Marco Aurélio Garcia. Eu não esqueço as estripulias e distorções do bom senso do “senhor” Celso Amorim, que era “só” Ministro de Relações Exteriores de Lula. O tal Patriota não é muito melhor.
      Parece que a imprensa brasileira, no entanto, já não dá aos chavistas o “free pass” de antigamente, e isso é um avanço. Uma década tarde, mas avanço mesmo assim.

    • for those whose portuguese is slim to none … Google translates as follows :-O

      “Andrew, I’m sorry, but you can not put the blame only on motherfucker Marco Aurelio Garcia. I do not forget the antics and sense of distortions “sir” Celso Amorim, who was “only” foreign minister of Lula. The Patriot is not that much better.
      It seems that the Brazilian press, however, no longer gives Chavez the “free pass” of old, and this is a breakthrough. A decade later, but progress nonetheless.”

    • as per Google translator:

      “I’ll write in Portuguese (excuse me, please!): In Brazil, there are two foreign ministries – the Foreign Ministry and the Office of the Presidency of the Republic headed by Mr. Marco Aurelio Garcia, a framework of PT originated from ancient classical Marxism. Has prevailed in the last government decisions about RI.

      However, much of the national press has interpreted the transition of government in Venezuela as a coup and that, of course, may have influenced the latter positioning Rousseff’s government.”

      Many admire Chavismo here, but their number is not less critical. But I’m here and fight for liberty there. May Venezuela be free!!!”

  7. I would like to try a different angle here. Perhaps the Chavistas and/or the Castro’s sent out a ‘trial balloon’ on the question of whether or not elections were ‘necessary’ upon the imminent death of Chavez. After all, the same reasoning could be used by the courts as was used for the inauguration, the Chavistas won the election on October 7th,….period. Get used to it. Elections have consequences. Seen in that light, Dilma Rousseff may have done something extraordinary by shooting the ballon down. She’s not my cup of tea, but at least she let it be known that she supports the Venezuelan constitution as written. And, through the whisperings of Brasilian officials, she did it publicly too. That’s more than can be said of Fernandez and the Argentinians.

    • but at least she let it be known that she supports the Venezuelan constitution as written.

      No she doesn’t. She supports that pieces that are convenient to her and Brazil.

  8. They are a joke, but it proves that the line they wouldn’t allow Chavismo to cross is trying to avoid elections if Chavez dies. And that’s a fear for a part of the opposition that doesn’t believe chavismo will ever step down. That also confirms the opposition strategy has not been so misguided, don’t call people tp protest now, the moment will come if and when chavez dies the elections are not called inmediately.

  9. I actually think it is a very good sign coming from Brazil. The next step would be for them to spill the beans and reveal what they know about Chavez’s state. They seem to believe he is not coming back.

    Chavistas have already succeeded with half a coup by skipping the inauguration day without Chavez and not declaring him absent – temporary or definitive. Why perform half coup violating the constitution if not to complete it later with the other half? If that is the case what is the other half?

    a) The second half of the coup, if we believe the rumors, may be that Chavez is already – and could have been for a while – medically dead, sustained only by artificial ventilation and with no real possibilities of coming back. In those circumstances the right thing to do is to declare his absence. Anything else is a fraud to the people. This would be an outrageous scenario: to think that the chavista cúpula may be keeping him alive in vegetative state only for political reasons. Politically speaking is hard to understand what they could gain from delaying, since waiting is not on their favor. Unless they don’t intend to call for elections and want to keep the status quo indefinitely. That would be a very risky gambit considering that they have a good chance of winning early elections.

    b) If the rumors are wrong and Chávez has a chance to recover then the second half of the coup could be that he is not coming back soon or in any shape to govern. In that scenario they intend to drag out this illegal situation until he comes back and that may happen in 3 months, 6 months, a year or two. And who knows in which state he could come back?. The logic here would be to that the constitutional option of declaring his temporary absence is not viable for chavismo because he may not come back in less than 180 days which is the maximum time for a temporary absence. So they intend to bring him back whenever possible mostly as a figure head. In any case, for them to be able to hold out that long, Chavez would need to give signs of life much sooner than that otherwise people will believe the rumors and consider him dead anyway.

    So what do you believe? a) or b)?

    • Couldn’t it also simply be that Chavistas are paralyzed so long as Chavez is alive? They cannot act if there is even a slim chance of Chavez being able to issue orders again. As such, they are held hostage until he reaches room temperature. It doesn’t matter whether doing so makes sense or not!

      • But they did act. They did the half-coup violating the constitution and put on a show for his inauguration. They must have a plan going forward otherwise why not simply follow the constitution?

        After violating the constitution they are waiting for an outcome on the Chavez issue. We all are. Either he dies or he comes back.

        They may figure that if Chavez returns then he takes possession and everything goes back to normality, undoing the half-coup. That would leave all the people that protested the coup and/or celebrated Chavez demise with egg in their faces. That could be part of their plan.

        If Chavez doesn’t return then they could declare his absence and call for elections.
        Or not…

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