Gay Zionist TFP Nazi Pig Chronicles

Somehow, the sheer surreal edge of Chávez’s latest unhinged rant somehow doesn’t quite come through until you read it in translation. Rory Carroll’s piece in The Guardian today is one for the ages.

Honestly, though, puzzle this through with me: what do you think the Median voter makes of Chávez’s discourse as it now stands?

Really, in the absence of an intemperate response from the other side, in what imaginable universe is this kind of unhinged shit a net vote winner for the Chávez?

Say it with me now…


144 thoughts on “Gay Zionist TFP Nazi Pig Chronicles

  1. I think that the lack of an intemperate response from the opposition actually exposes the craziness of the claims, in my opinion is a mistaken strategy, he is speaking to the more radical and loyal base of his followers, who are voting for him no matter what, but the elections are going to be decided by the swing vote of the Ninis, who might actually be scared by this crazy rhetoric. By the way, somehow he and many others, inlcuding Tibisay Lucena herself, seem to ignore that captahuellas are only used in 8 states during elections, so even Hugo’s victory is fishy?
    Ps: Capriles will eat your children

    • Scared into what? If anything this week has shown that Henrique Capriles is up to the task of leading whereas Hugo Chavez is an aging, sickly and completely unhinged individual. While HCR is talking about being the education president or creating employment Chavez responds with a crazy diatribe that has been going on for more than a dozen years and is getting stale. However, if the opposition were to respond to this diatribe they would essentially be sucked into the same old game of dime que te dire with Chavez setting the pace. I think what really drives him mad at this point is that the oppo isn’t allowing him to set the pace and isn’t really responding to the old jabs that used to get such an angry and immediate response. He doesn’t really know what to do with this man Henrique Capriles, and the fact that he’s in a statistical dead heat only makes things worse. If anything the lack of a reaction from Capriles serves to juxtapose the new, upcoming candidate versus the old tired clown in Miraflores. That being said Hugo Chavez will become more unpredictable, less accomodating (if that’s even possible) and just plain meaner. I really hope that the October elections do take place smoothly and without incident.

      • Probably scared wasn’t a good word, but I meant it may induce them to either vote for Capriles or abstain, and its precisely Capriles’s challenge to lure them into voting for him, and I think so far he’s doing a good work. But we mustn’t underestimate Hugo, the interesting thing would be to see if he is not so blind that he would change the discourse or if he would keep up with the insults until his head explodes

        • He’s definitely smart enough to change the discourse and he has a knack for finding people’s weak spots. However, he is also in the unfamiliar position of actually having to campaign and if there’s one thing we know about El Comandante is that he is easily flustered when he is not addressing his opponents from an advantageous position. He can be goaded into making mistakes or he can make them himself. More importantly his “habra guerra sin mi” speech today shows that a non-Chavez future is not in the cards (although we probably all knew that already) and that the closer he gets to the possibility of not being reelected, the more erratic he’ll become. That is when he’ll make all of his mistakes. However, you’re right about the man being a political chameleon. He can adapt to his surroundings and I really wonder what strategy he will take now that the old one isn’t working.

          • However, I guess there is a big contradiction if he changes a becomes benevolent Hugo right know, if this becomes a debate about policies he would be somehow admitting that HCR is not the nazi/gay/antichrist/children eater that angry Hugo says. He might resort to pity too next I think, sometimes I wish I could enter the mind of the ninis to see what they want…

            • I did. I entered into the mind of a nini and a voice said unto me, like to Dante back in the inferno: “If I but thought that my response were made to one perhaps returning to the world, this tongue of flame would cease to flicker. But since, up from these depths, no one has yet returned alive, if what I hear is true, I answer without fear of being shamed: money or gold, or a car or any other tangible enticement would do and then my vote thou shall have”

              An aunt who was once upon a time a Chavista and now just a nini is an old pensioner and she can only remember that when she had just retired as a teacher, in the nineties, she seldom got her very low salary on time and went through a lot of difficulties.

              She still cannot connect the dots on that. I tried but she became annoyed specially when I touched the topic of pension and how a petrostate can pay at 12 or 100 $ per barrel. Now she just claims she is neutral and “doesn’t believe in any of them”…and yet she got the salary increase the national teachers got and another aunt, who is pensioned from a region (thus opposition-administrated) school, hasn’t got that increase yet .Safety? Forget it. That “nini” aunt almost lost her eldest son (very oppo) in an assault: he was shot and almost died of the bleeding. She says it was like that before Chávez. I told her it was not, I had seen the statistics, talked to doctors (which we also have in the family) about the amount of wounded people now and then, etc and she just doesn’t get it. It’s her bloody pension…just like many people in Belarus, she is in for her bloody pension.

              I know other cases outside the family (which is, otherwise, very oppo).
              It is all about how much money they are making now and what they remember from before and what they believe they would make. It goes through all social strata.

              Even the French revolution was above all because of standard of living and expectations of different groups about what their very personal situation was going to be. Very few individuals act otherwise. It is depressing, mais c’est comme ça.

              Promise better standard of living? It won’t be easy.

            • It wont be easy and my guess is that many of the NiNis have very different motivations and it would be Capriles task to create a discourse that will appeal to most of them, regrettably, one of Chavez’s more successful campaigns is distorting the view of the pre-Chávez era to a degree that even people who lived trough those years seem to remember them trough the government version.

            • Kepler:

              “It is all about how much money they are making now …”
              “It goes through all social strata.”
              “Even the French revolution was above all because of standard of living ”
              “c’est comme ça”
              “Promise better standard of living? It won’t be easy.”

              It *is* easy… and economically the most sound…

          • We’ll also have to see how he behaves if he ever meets Capriles. We know this guy is a bully and a coward at the same time.
            He met Obama, smile in face, he almost kissed Uribe. Hell, he gave away a fucking island, our national patrimony, back to the US.

      • Chavez may be an aging, sickly and completely unhinged individual. But his mania allows him, not only to distort the facts, but to threaten his intended audience — with ferocity.

        • A human being who is threatend and humilliated to the point where they have nothing else to lose, will eventually bite back at the oppressor. Sic semper tyrannis.

    • I totally agree with CACR. This will not affect HCR, the same way Chavez’s popularity wasn’t affected by, for instance, his friendship with famous Argentinian antisemitic Norberto Ceresole.

      This election will come down to who people believe will more effectively “velar” for the poor’s well being. I personally think Chavez has an edge here and that’s what he should be focusing on.

      If he insists on bulling HCP to show that he’s is a (faggy?) coward, he will alienate many NiNis. Also, if he keeps on lambasting Capriles like that he’ll have no choice but to accept to debate him, which is a risk I would not run if I was him.

  2. He is a class act…! His mother must be proud! Chavistas must be proud of their president! What an inspiration to all! If Capriles is a pig then that guy is the mud that Capriles will roll in come Oct 7!!!!!

  3. I read a quote attributed to Napoleon, who’s fits the moment we’re living in:

    “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”


    • totalmente de acuerdo… he is doing a wonderful job of muddying himself in the eyes of the nini’s and disenchanted chavistas. today later on he was talking about love, so i
      guess fidelito must have put his b___ in remojo ;)

    • Eeexactly!

      Let us remember that Venezuelans are tired of in politics… “confrontation” and “polarization”, namely.

      Not that long ago, five years ago, chavistas used to call opposition people “hysterics” both for denouncing what has already happened since, but also for being overly confrontational and for believing fairy tales/ conspiracy theories.

      Let Chavez continue. Let chavismo sink further into over the top hysterics.

      Let us in the opposition goad them just by not answering to this frothing lunacy. Let us also ensure that the connection between confrontation and Chavez, between polarization and chavismo is not lost on Venezuelans who are already tired and disgusted.

      • Be careful with what you wish for, you may get it! A premature death ( before 7O, and before he is prosecuted, stands trial and is indicted) is very posible.
        I maintain my theory Chavez is past his prime use to his handlers, and is more useful now as a martyr- to- be.

        • Luis,

          My comment was tongue-in-cheek, and probably inappropriate.

          The “handlers” may believe what you say, but they would be wrong. Chavez’s charisma and personality is what holds the whole shebang together. Without Chavez, there is no “Chavismo”. We have seen what happens when Chavez has been incapacitated before. In short order, all of the senior officials started in-fighting, and we saw conflicting messages coming from the government. In short, without Chavez, the government turns into a flying circus.

          The people in the government today are simply not qualified to lead, and will not be able to maintain order for long if Chavez is out of the picture. What happens then becomes a wide array of fuzzy quantum probabilities, ranging from Chavismo selecting an alternate candidate and the elections proceeding, to a military junta assuming power.

          I actually prefer to see Chavez weakened, but still kicking and and in the campaign. An electoral victory for the Opposition is the best of all the various scenarios for a post-Chavez Venezuela.

  4. I cannot for one second fathom Sean Penn afterwards saying, “Great speech Mr. President.” Snap out of it, Sean. Are you so desperate to see socialism in action that you can turn a blind eye to all that is wrong with Chavismo?

    Memo to George Clooney: Could to pull Sean aside and straighten him out, please?

  5. Thank you, Mr. Carroll. It is rare to find in the English-speaking media a translated clip of one of Chavez’s disturbed rants. Your report goes far to frame his most recent outburst, a disgrace from both political and human points of view.

    • This is the equivalent of his “victoria de mierda” speech of old. And as JC noted, “pig” is not-so-veiled code for “jew”. But I wonder if all of this is actually news in Venezuela. If The Guardian had not picked it up, would anybody be talking about it now? Will anybody in Venezuela, in any case? In the US or Europe, this would create a scandal; but in Venezuela? Move on, nothing new here. HCR might be right to ignore it for now – but it speaks volumes about how low our political culture, and culture tout-court, has fallen. That is what needs addressing as soon as the transition starts.

  6. “in what imaginable universe is this kind of unhinged shit a net vote winner for the Chávez?”

    Chavez has been saying crazy stuff like that forever and he keeps on winning elections…

  7. The Zionists worked with the Nazi’s and never fought them like the jews in Warsaw ghetto did. Y’all never learn from history do ya…

    And remember that word majunche (it means “little wimp”, more or less), you’re gonna be hearing it a lot between now and October 7!

    Rojo Rojito

    • Mira brutus maximus. If you wanna talk about learning from history and knowing your facts, you would know that no zionist would want to immigrate if they didn’t feel threatened anyways. Besides: why would anyone support a group whose goal was to erradicate their people? All you people do is insult those who you feel threatened by and follow an ideal which has failed multiple times in history. Even the “Bolsheviks” – which means “the majority” were actually minority radicals back then who tricked the russian population into following them. Please do erase his comment Francisco.

    • Cort,

      I rarely address myself to people I consider are not honest commentators.I don’t mind in the least to disagree with others because disagreements foster growth , but nasty name calling and lying coupled with continual bickering bores me, and I cannot see its use.

      You are wasting valuable time in your life with this .

      As for myself I couldn’t care less if you continue, I usually just skip over your messages without a thought…on the occasion that I do skim over one of your comments, I do so with total detachment( one of my specialties).

      Good day.

      • I’m sorry Montanans. Your supreme court rocked on the Citizen’s United stupidity. HEARD OF THAT CORT, you HORSE’S ASS?

    • Conspiracy theories such as Nazi-Zionist collaboration just never die. Especially because there was a germ of truth to it. But, only in the sense that humans and viruses collaborate. The occasional cold helps keep the human immune system strong by presenting it with new challenges, and the viruses propagate and mutate to overcome new defenses. But that doesn’t mean humans would would go out of their way to catch a cold.

      The Nazi campaign against the Jews fell right into the laps of the Zionists who had been promoting a Jewish Homeland since the late 19th century. However, that doesn’t mean that the Zionists planned, promoted, or even assisted in the Holocaust. It is more a case of “If life gives you lemons, make lemonade.”

      But, the conspiracy theorists persist in viewing any shred of common interest in differing agendas as proof of conspiracy. I suppose they always will…

  8. Doesn’t he still need international observers to certify elections? Or, will he just dispense with them this time?

    • “Humans can verify ballot papers’ electoral procedures and such verification automatically implies the certification of the electoral result. Unfortunately, it’s impossible any human certification of electronic electoral procedures, thus no human verification of e-voting procedure implies any certification of the electoral results.

      Thus if a country ruled by a dictator, or a country of a recent democracy, would use e-vote could any international organization check the electoral process and certify its results? Surely not! For that reason dictators should spend a bit of the money they steal from their people in implementing electronic electoral systems rather than saving it in their private bank accounts”

        • Fransisco,

          Roy’s question is about certification.The term ‘certify’ is not the correct word to use here.An International observer can only see if procedures are being followed at the ballot box.This is an important point, especially since Chavez will do everything possible to steal votes.

          It may be good to have the observers, however they cannot guarantee there was no fraud

          • FP,

            You are correct. “Certify” was not the correct word. However, the reports of the International Observer organizations lend international legitimacy. The rhetoric and the atmosphere of intimidation is part of what the observers report on.

            What I was wondering (out loud) was if Chavez feels that he can dispense with the internationally recognized election observer organizations.

            • Roy,

              I get your point….I guess I am more than a bit’ phobic’ about allowing another situation where people can claim legitimacy for fraudulent elections.

              The other question is how many observers will be allowed and just who will these observers be??? Sometimes they let only a few in,and the wrong ones as well, not enough to really appraise the situation .

              We play right into Chavez’s hands if we claim that any election is totally legitimate under the circumstances where his government has the control and all of the bad intentions and works night and day before the elections to skew and obscure the results.

  9. Four points:
    1. Chavez is not very subtle, is he? He’s so bad that he could give negative campaigning a bad name. :o) Mad Hugo is showing his stripes to HCR’s advantage.

    2. A man who speaks that way in anger usually employs the specific pejoratives that he believes to be most effective. The same simple name-calling, devoid of subtlety, against His Pompous Excellency would make him mad as hell. It’s a common game that Hugo thinks he can win because he owns the microphone. HCR knows it’s a waste of time.

    3. Capriles might simply observe: “Our Leader sounds mad”, and let it go at that (if there’s a Spanish word for “mad” that means “angry and/or insane” and a good word for “Der Fuehrer”). I wish he would do so, but discussing his opponent doesn’t seem to be his style.

    4. If Capriles engages in a televised debate with Chavez, this is what he can expect more of, and it looks to me as though Hugo would defeat himself by abusing all the rules while HCR lets him blow himself up. Reagan did that to Carter, who couldn’t help slinging the mud onstage.



      • Thanks again, Roy. Nice to know someone noticed.

        There should have been a fifth, more ominous (and very verbose) point in that post:

        5. Up to now, Chavez has probed the line between dictatorshp and authoritarianism – to use Quico’s formulation – but he’s not crossed it. To me, the boundary between them is demarcated by the introducton of overt race hatred. Hating the mulli-cultural US or “capitalists” is not specific enough, but playing the Radonkski-the-Jew card in a very Christian nation – i.e. a small minority of specific scapegoats to rid the nation of – is over that lline, borrowed directly from Hitler.

        He can’t bring it off in Vz unless he “wins” in October and can organize the Krystallnacht that leads to the rest. Unfortunately for Vz, this may mark the beginning of Venezuela’s 1933, with one last election predetermined by jackboots.

        Chavez has been every bit a populist Nazional Socialist orator – as was Hitler. This factoid about Hitler lies in open view, yet is denied vigorously (and often fatally) by most leftists, who would like to believe that he was a “right-winger”. At some point, political ideology becomes blind to anything else to intellectuals and their followers who are a great deal like us. They (we, actually) cannot understand that at least half of all 20th century dictators – notably Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot and Stalin – murdered millions each to enforce our own leftist egalitarian impulses toward communal virtue.

        Given this new Jew-hating lurch toward iron dictatorship, Vz could easily face that prospect after October.

        Chavez fits into what I see as today’s world-wide pre-war Zeitgeist – that all problems, from Greece to Iran, WTO and Detroit, are seen as caused by unredeemable others. The solution, imported from Cambodia, Russia, Rwanda, Somalia, Kosovo and Germany – and perhaps now to Vz, is only a matter of clearing away some human trash to create new virtuous altruistic, co-operative supermen.

        Even Americans are dehumanizing each other over partisan politics, despite our leader’s pledge to bring us together under one tent (not just HIS tent). It “don’t look too good” at the moment. When we move from hating Republicans to hating Jews (as Chavez just did), look out below!



        • I agree with Juan in the sense that most Chavez supporters and many Ninis probably don’t even know a jewish person, or the negative stereotypes and assumptions against them that can be used, as it was in Europe, by a leader to create hatred and make them a scape goat for the problems of the country, also unlike Germany we haven’t been just humiliated and defeated in a war followed by a huge economic crisis. I guess that Chavez would try to center his speech in the fact that he represents the wealthy elites of the country because there is more of a chance that that message can resonate

        • Deedle, the stance of Hitler is a little bit more complicated. Hitler was for private property, as long as it was of his “Arian” people.
          The NSDAP came from a weird mixture of socialist with virulent anti-Semitic background, people like Goebbels were rather lefty, but Hitler himself took them also to the right.
          Although the NSDAP raised to power primarily with the help of the little, resented man and woman and not big business, very big corporations did flourish under Hitler, with people making big fortunes in the Nazi plundering and arms race…some of the big names in Germany’s economy now were playing then. The Nazis supported some kind of monopolistic “capitalism”.
          Hitler had a virulent hatred towards communism, which he saw as a Jewish Bolshevism. He was blaming Jews for both Walt Street and Bolshevism. In the very early days of the Weimarer Republik, though, Nazi Sturmtruppen went along with communists to beat the hell out of Social democrats…and shortly before 1933 elections some social democrats actually preferred to align with the Nazis.

          When the terror was over and Germany in ruins, those who were Nazis sometimes came back to power under “extreme right” parties and the CDU/CSU and secondly the FDP (liberal in the classic sense, low taxes) tolerated them much more than the Social Democrats. Joachim Fest, among others, have said a lot of Germans went over to Hitler, apart from their resentment, out of fear of communism…

          On the other hand: you have a lot of common language between Nazism and communism and some forms of socialism.
          Complicated matter.

          In any case: I think it would be useful for Venezuelan politicians to pick up a couple of books about how both Nazism and communism took hold of Europe in the XX century. There are a lot of tactics used by those characters that are being taken over by Chavistas

          • Dear Kepler:

            I agree. Retrospective histories can be complex. But Hitler’s intentions – now history, but not when it mattered – were met largely with complaisant apologies (breaking a few eggs to make an omelet) or simple denial (oh, he’s not serious; its just politics; and a few Jews are always expendable) by our more socialist friends on the left, just as they do today for Chavez and did for Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Fidel, and Che – all of˙whom will be anointed in time with convenient right-wing labels to salve the consciences of an academic community with reputations to shield from more serious examination.

            How many of your ni-ni’s do the same – dismiss Chavez as harmless?

            Whatever Hitler became once he was in power, thanks to those turkeys, his “socialist” pitch to the left, with a few humanist exceptions like Tomfohrde and Niemoeller, was his ticket to power. The 20th Century’s intellectual signature was the slow abdication of the educational establishment’s principles to facile, romantic, faux socialist ideals. Leftists dictators played them like a Stradivarius – and then killed them all.

            Unfortunately, liberals such as myself have too long accepted our parents’ and teachers’ beliefs that the political right is essentially inhuman and therefore not worthy of consideration or debate. Mine taught that we should consider everyone’s ideas – black, red, European, Asian. – Just not our own Republican neighbors, please…

            This is the seed of Hitlerism. Right at home on our own poltical left.

            It’s no longer MY liberalism. My liberalism proudly defends itself based on facts and principles in open debate (Hey! Aren’t I wonderful…!).

            I, too, see the good in the socialism of Chavez’s signature Misiones, just as the Nazi’s made the tralns run on time; but I can’t see much else.

            Sorry – I got carried away with all this.



            • Deedle, what you say about the possibility of history repeating itself (unfortunately, in the case of Hitlerism), rings too true with me. In the US, it seems that Hitlerism is, once again, raising its ugly head: read about Rick (I like to call him “the Dick”) Santorum, and what his possible policies could include. And, Newt Gingrich (AKA Swingrich, for the many swings he’s made), is just as bad as the Dick. I HATE all of the Rethuglicants vying for the nomination :-(.

  10. Sorry guys, I live in Flordia in the open.
    Not like some of our chronically clueless friends on this list and what ever happen to sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me?

    Expect to hear a lot worst, get those tickets soon…


    • Whay cracks me up the most about all the things you write is that you keep telling people to leave Venezuela, but you never say you want to go to live in Chavez wonderland.
      I guess in the bottom of your heart you know you won’t be able to survive for too long there. First, you are a gringo, a yankee, and Chavistas hate yankees.
      Second, I suppose you won’t get acustomed to long and constant power outages, or to line up in a super market for a couple of hours in order to get milk or cooking oil, or not be able to get a decently paid job.
      Oh, try to start a business. I would love to see you trying.
      C’mon Cort. Go to Venezuela. Go live there.

      • Brilliant idea Carolina. And Cort should bring along a young child or an elderly relative that he has to care for while he’s at it. Love hear his thoughts on the chronically clueless after he’s spent an afternoon looking for diapers in Libertador. What’s that Cort, you wash your organic cotton diapers by hand between your militia training and your studies on zionism? Dale!

      • Chavez doesn’t hate Americans, or the USA, he thanks God every day for the USA as does Castro, without the US who would be his bogyman, what would be his excuse for buying worthless arms from Russia, without the USA to blame Castro would have gone long ago, notice how quick Putin is to blame the US now he is getting flak at home

        • I din’t say that Chavez hates the gringos. I said chavistas do. They have heard for too long that the gringos will invade the country and they are the bad ones and that they have to be prepared, that they have to defend the sovereignty.
          They even think that anything blond and blue eyed are there to get them, including THIS very venezuelan born and raised.

  11. [Non-Venezuelan, occasional reader here]
    How likely is it that focusing on HCR’s jewish origins is aimed at tapping anti-jewish sentiment in parts of the electorate?
    And as for Cort.. well, straight out of a Hiaasen novel.

    • Hi AM,

      Most older Venezuelans will carry with them a reserve about Jews, as they do about protestants. For you see, the Catholic Church educated the population, either in Church-run schools, or during Sunday sermons, that Jews killed Christ. This was not something that happened for a few years, but rather, for a few centuries. As such, that education that does not easily go away; it also enters the home.

      The Catholic Church now sings a different tune. But you don’t get rid of earlier indoctrination so easily.Especially among the rank and file of priests, nuns and layworkers who simply followed the rules. Intellectual liberalism can take a long time to reverse, when every attempt was made, early on, to constrain a more open process.

      By the same token, some pockets of Judaism have their reserve about Christians, intermarriage of faiths, etc. There are no saints in this group, either. And I know whereof I speak.

      In the end, it’s up to individuals to choose whether they want to listen to narrow opinions by an individual priest, or rabbi, or imam, or reverend, etc, and look elsewhere for spiritual sustenance. But sometimes that choice is made more difficult by the lack of options in a given community.

      • Syd, thanks for your comments. There had been some disturbing incidents of vandalism in Caracas against jewish centres when I lived there, which I think fairly can be connected to anti-jewish/anti-Israel commentary in the official media, but my opinion- far less qualified than a venezuelan- is that most venezuelans don’t take that kind of hate propaganda to heart, in the same way that most don’t take ideology to heart. Like the really good whisky, its something only the higher-ups drink on any regular basis. Venezuelans like to love and they like to shop, which must be frustrating for the anti-semites and the hard core socialists (and even the hard core Catholics I suspect).

        So I agree with Syd and also Juan. As a person of protestant heritage, I have had some pretty funny conversations en la calle trying to explain what a protestant is. Many, if they have an opinion at all, equate it narrowly with “evangelicos” which they view as a little loco but non-threatening.

        Unfortunately I think the anti-gay thing may have more traction. It isn’t easy being gay in Venezuela, even in Caracas, is my guess. Some of the officialistas are working this angle in a despicable way. Chavistas evidently think it sticks more to HCR and not their president, who is Soltero Maximo in the woman department (from what the public sees), maybe because HCR exercizes regularly (i.e. clearly gay). To his great credit, I don’t see HCR resorting to the same kind of slurs, groserias and innuendo to “prove” he’s a real man. HCR and his team are really looking solid and impressive so far.

        • I agree, canucklehead, the gay slurs have more traction, in Venezuela, than the non-Catholic slurs, both classifications highly problematic for older ‘beatos’, yet a goldmine for high-ranking chavistas who seek to polarize by any means possible.

          Funny thing… Around 2004, a speaker with the Venezuelan consulate, seeking to promote “The Revolution Will Not Be Televised”, gave a little preamble at a Toronto university. At that event, I sat next to a Venezuelan gay who muttered comments during the presentation. During the Q&A that followed the movie, a trasvesti who now lives in Toronto, praised chavismo and denounced the difficulties of living as a trasvesti in Toronto (which has the next largest gay community after San Francisco). On hearing the transvestite’s lament, my new-found gay friend muttered something along the lines of, “‘sí chico, por qué no regresas a Venezuela pa’ que veas que bien te tratan.”

          • Here’s an idea. Those film-makers should do penance for the total misconception of the chavez government they created among extranjeros by going back and documenting the life of a trasvesti on Avenida Libertador. We’re getting way off topic here, I know, but it just underscores the complete hypocrisy of this official line about venezuela para todos. The institutions that might be used to advance the rights of minorities (or anyone for that matter) are overrun by what Vaclav Havel called “cunning shits”.

      • What are you talking about? Which country are you talking about, not the Venezuela were I have lived for 68 years

      • Anti Gay, anti Jewish, hogwash Chavez doesn’t even know the definition of what being Jewish means. As for being anti Gay, its is well know that a couple or more of Chavez’s ministers are Gay.
        The anti Jewish policy is just to show support for Iran, just as Mussolini didn’t have a policy of being anti Jewish till Hitler demanded Italian Jews be deported to Germany.
        As for being anti Gay Chavez knows calling someone Gay is a big insult in Venezuela, and he’s trying to ride the Latin Machismo to the polling booth in October.
        Chavez would say he was anti Martian, or call some one a Martian if he thought it would get votes

  12. It’s our turn now!! Capriles lo tiene loco, Capriles is driving him nuts!! He has him climbing up the walls!! The more Capriles ignores him the nuttier he gets!! EL COMANDANTE EN SU LABERINTO!! Chavez’ skeletons are hounding him!!

  13. Aveledo’s response was magnificent: you are a sick man and insulting people is not good to your health!  


  14. Chavez really needs to learn how to pace himself. I mean, if you START with gay Zionist fascist Nazi….what’s left for September and October? Where do you go from there?

  15. So what does Chavez do if it looks like he will lose the election?

    1. Before the election, tell the CNE to cheat “make sure” he wins, allowing Chavez steal the election.
    2. Call some sort of state of emergency and delay elections.
    3. Use “legal means” to disqualify HCR, getting instead someone he can win against.
    4. Live in denial: Refuse to believe he could possibly lose. Once the CNE announces his loss, vociferously accuse MUD of electoral fraud and enact a coup. “People’s militias” flood the streets and stop any counter demonstrations. Throw the country into utter chaos.
    5. Step aside with some degree of grace and poise.

    Note, I do think it’s wise not to openly discuss this. NiNis might grow alarmed and see Chavez as the only option not leading to utter chaos, even if Chavez is the one holding the gun to the collective head of Venezuela. Alternatively, telling people Chavez will steal the election will also discourage actual voting. But I am nonetheless curious as to what knowledgeable Venezuelans predict.

        • here :)

          Note, I do NOT think it’s wise not to openly discuss this. NiNis might grow alarmed and see Chavez as the only option not leading to utter chaos, even if Chavez is the one holding the gun to the collective head of Venezuela. Alternatively, telling people Chavez will steal the election will also discourage actual voting. But I am nonetheless curious as to what knowledgeable Venezuelans predict.

    • In this regard, I’m a bit more optimistic than most. Above all else, Chavez is a survivor (polite way of saying he’s a coward). February 4th, 1992? Hiding in the Military History Museum. April 11th, 2002? Begging for passage to Cuba. For all his bluster and noise and fury, I believe in the end (and I’m not discarding the possibility of an “intentona” with bloody, albeit limited, casualties), he’ll stand down. Should Capriles defeat him, I’d bet on Chavez becoming an oppo agitator rather than a neoguerrillero.

  16. Also, Sean Penn: My eyes can’t roll back far enough everytime you open your mouth. Get a house in Petare or GTFO

  17. OT message to MUD: start a referendum request ASAP asking to not use captahuellas in the presidential elections, or any such mechanism that raises suspicion regarding linking voter to vote.

    • Three very good reasons that won’t happen.

      1-Message Discipline is about what you don’t talk about. Is the core of HCR’s pitch to voters about the credibility of CNE? No. Is the time he spends talking about captahuellas time spent not talking about his core message? Yes.

      2-Don’t Think of a Captahuella. Even talking about this brings back into mind reasons not to vote. Think it through. We’ll ask for a referendum. We won’t get it. They’ll use the captahuellas anyway…only we will have primed our supporters to think that they really can be use to identify who they vote for, introducing doubts they didn’t necessarily have before.

      3-The new style Captahuellas are our best new defense against the real fraud possibility. The new voting machines have to be “unlocked” with a unique fingerprint – this makes it impossible to engage in the one type of fraud that we KNOW has happened in the last few elections: ballot stuffing fraud in voting centers with no oppo witnesses. With the new system, it becomes impossible for a handful of chavistas in Delta Amacuro to stuff ballots, voting in place of people who don’t turn out. In pushing against their use we’d be working against a safeguard for a REAL violation in order to prevent an IMAGINARY abuse.

      This captahuella bidness, like the push-for-a-debate idea, is a losing issue for Capriles on many levels.

      • And even being honest if they could violate the secrecy of vote with the captahuellas considering the turnout that the opposition has being getting in the past elections, a lot of people would had been fired by now, questioning the captahuellas might scare off government employees who would otherwise vote for the opposition, and that speech probably wont seat well with Ninis who don’t distrust the CNE as many of the harcore oppos do, and might even see that as a comeback to the hysterical Chávez los tiene locos speech

      • I agree on the captahuellas arguments. But not sure I understand why going for a Chavez-Capriles debate is a losing issue… I don’t necessarily think it will happen, but I’d like to see Chavez decline it.

        • It’s about strategic focus. If your focus is on Autobus del Progreso, let nobody be left behind, mas futuro que pasado stuff, every moment spent talking about this procedural side-show stuff is a moment not spent on your strategic focus.

          • OK, let’s think ahead/. What happens if Chavistas pull a trick like they did when Vargas Lllosa demanded a debate? Chávez said: yes, under my conditions, which is “I am just a poor soldier”, let’s people from El Pueblo (tarifados a la Britto García) grill YOU.
            And he sold that to his people as “Vargas Llosa is afraid” and we thought otherwise.

            The thing is: how to be sure to hit Chávez the hardest anyway he goes with the debate issue.

      • Exactly right, Quico. So far his message of “ignoring” Chavez has worked well. RG Aveledo’s response “don’t be like that, Mr. President, it hurts you. You’re sick and need some rest” is more of the same.

        If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!

      • Ok, then, how do you dispel fear of voter tracking, which chavez clearly has given indications will be one of his many pressuring threats?

      • I am very interested in the thesis that fingerprint scanners (e.g. “captahuellas”) help maintain election integrity. Largely, I don’t get it. If the goal is to prevent the same individual from voting multiple times, then the fingerprint scan must be compared with scans of prior voters in real time over a communications network linking every polling station to a centralized database.

        I find it highly unlikely they are doing this at the CNE. It is too complex, error-prone, and largely unscalable to support millions of voters. So, my question: what is the argument used to support the use of fingerprint scanners in Venezuelan elections?


        • The captahuellas do NOT provide real-time biometrical comparison with nation-wide voters. O sea, las ponen sólo para joder y asustar a los menos informados.

          • I don’t know about nationwide interconnectivity, but what they do do is ensure that the same person can’t vote in the same voting center more than once, because you need a unique-to-that-center fingerprint to activate the voting machine.

            Now, we have good evidence that that kind of fraud – basically ballot stuffing by poll workers in voting centers with no oppo witnesses – actually does happen. And the new captahuellas will prevent it from happening.

            • OK.

              So the same person conceivably could vote several times provided that they do so at different voting centers (and use a different id card, and wipe out the “indelible” ink, …).

              Seems to me it is a quite a bit of expense for very little gain. In another words, the fingerprint scanners do not seem to do much to protect the integrity of the vote.

              Perhaps someone better informed can elucidate?

            • Yes, we should reject a reform that stops an abuse that we know about and have documented because it doesn’t entirely shut the door on a series of imaginary violations that have never happened. Gotcha!

            • MUD has identified a number of voting centers with no oppo witnesses, abnormally high turn-out (compared to near-by voting centers with oppo witnesses) and abnormally high proportion of pro-government votes (again relative to near-by centers).

              That’s prima facie evidence of ballot stuffing, and it’s cost us tens of thousands of votes in recent elections. The new machines will shut down this scam.

            • Your key point:

              “Now, we have good evidence that that kind of fraud – basically ballot stuffing by poll workers in voting centers with no oppo witnesses – actually does happen. And the new captahuellas will prevent it from happening.”

              Understood. Would be good to: (a) document how this fraud actually happens, (b) understand if the fingerprint scanners actually prevent this.

            • Bill Gates who know something about computers said he
              wouldn’t trust a computer voting system, the pentagon has been hacked,
              but you still believe a finger print system will prevent fraud?
              do you still believe in farther Christmas?

            • It always comes back to this:

              1-There is a paper trail – each machine prints out an electronic receipt for each vote, and those votes are deposited in a traditional ballot box.
              2-More than half of those boxes are hand-counted on election night, and the results are public domain
              3-I maintain my longstanding offer to mail a $100 check to anyone who can show me an audit acta and a machine acta that differ by more than a handful of votes (i.e., folks who forgot to deposit the receipt.)

            • Quico, so you are suggesting to own the fear, and tell everyone to buck up and vote despite fears of tracking?

            • Extorres,

              At the end of the day, voting against Chavez will require an act of faith for many people. That is why we will see, “No tenemos miedo.” as a common theme in the Oppo campaign.

            • I don’t buy it. The captahuellas have only two purposes:
              1.- To scare people into thinking their vote is not secret.
              2.- To slow down the voting process.
              They don’t avoid ballot stuffing when there are no oppo witnesses because a machine is easy to fool with fake fingerprints. Also probably there override options. Those machines do not produce a summary report that can be checked against the actas and/or the cuadernos (or do they?).

          • OK think it through a bit:

            If there is no Nationwide Inter-connectivity for the fingerprint readers then one imagines that each voters fingerprint for each polling station is loaded into the machines used at that particular polling station, if the fingerprint is not in the database for the polling station, the voter cannot vote, thereby helping defeat multiple votes by the same person at different polling stations. One way to defeat that is to load the same fingerprint into different machines used in different polling stations.

            Given that there is no evidence that voter rolls have been purged, one has little hope that fingerprint databases are in any better shape.

            Suppose there IS Nationwide Inter-connectivity for the fingerprint readers. Here you have the same issue as above, except you are working from one database and not multiple databases. The potential for fraud is still there, as is the unreliability of the voter rolls.

            For years the opposition has called for a purge of the rolls, and the CNE has done diddly. Their response for these primaries was to not let anyone over 129 years old to vote.


            Additionally, the lists that I saw for the Washington DC area had everyone’s birth-date, off by 2 years. Every single one, all 1500. The list came from the CNE directly. One person wondered if this was to allow folks under 18 to vote, and another thought that they only did that to the foreign lists just to mess with likely anti chavez voters

            On top of this, there is the fear factor (right or wrong) in folks that think their vote is not secret if the fingerprint machines are used. Eugenio Martinez stated on Globovision last week that it may be coincidence but the fingerprint machines are largely only used in states where the opposition has a lot of turnout, versus places where Chavismo tends to do well. This underscores Quico’s point that ballot stuffing is easier to accomplish where you do not have machines, but the potential for fraud where there are machines is too large to be ignored.

            • Again, this is a comment written entirely in the conditional tense – handwringing about what might, what could, what it’s imaginable that they might possibly do. That right there is the road to madness…

              We need a bit of a Serenity Prayer here: there are things we can do something about and things we can’t do anything about, and we need to make sure we do EVERYTHING we can on the former and we chill the hell out on the latter.

              The REP is fucked, we all know that. There’s nothing we can do about it. We’ve decided to participate with a fucked REP, because we’ve calculated that the REP is not so fucked as to make the entire election a joke.

              Even with a fucked REP, there are key things we can do to forestall cheating: ensure oppo witnesses get to all polling stations, and especially to all Vulnerable stations – places identified as showing weird, ballot-stuffing-y patterns – in previous elections. MUD is working hard to make that happen.

              What MUD won’t do (thank god!) is psyche out its own supporters by bringing back to mind conspiracty theories about the vote not being secret or by torturing through every hypothetical scenario for cheating, no matter how far fetched.

            • So, prepare for the unexpected without thinking what the unexpected may be? I mean, how can you take precautions if you don’t think of the things the opponent may do?

              Obviously, the flaws in the REP don’t matter if you can be sure each voter shows up and only votes once and is a valid voter some other way. The REP could have 20 times the number of people, then, and it wouldn’t matter. The key is to establish the procedures to accomplish the security *without* having to clean out the REP. But, then, once the minimal security procedures were put in place, how do we prevent CNE from disrespecting them? You know, like they did in 2004.

              I know you don’t want to think about fraud, but it’s thinking about it that will prevent it. Much like thinking about the government wanting its hands on the cuadernos that got them burnt in time. They even killed trying to get a hold of them! And you don’t want us to think farfetched thoughts?!

              So, what’s your plan? Moving ahead without preparation, or preparing at the risk of scaring some off, or selling the taking a risk attitude? What?

              I see your points, but you’re not answering our questions, making your points pointless.

    • It beats the hell out of me the captahuellas thing as a matter to legitimacy to the primaries, considering that they are not even used in most states during elections organized by the CNE, does that makes them suspicious so is Chavez going to question its own electoral victories? One thing is la Hojilla choosing to ignore that, but even Chavez and moreover, Lucena, who should know better or maybe is sniffing all the hairspray she uses, shows the degree of craziness of the government, at the end of the deal, primaries are an optional private event of the opposition to choose its candidates and if all the people who ran in them, except the moll from Yaracuy, accept the results is none of the goverment’s business, it would be a good message to say to the government, get over the primaries and start debating the real issues of the campaign

  18. The reason Chavez rhetoric resonates with many Venezuela poor is there were and still are many inequalities in Venezuela. On Venevision and RCTV there are and were very few brown and even less black faces. TV commercials looked as if the population was all white, withe a few blacks thrown in to look as if the demographics in Venezuela was as in the US 15% black, you wouldn’t know that the population was 80% mestizo.
    Chavez has exploited this and that’s why he has an irrational support, race is the 800 pound gorilla
    and no one talks about this, when you look at the opposition platform you don’t see a black or brown face. what Capriles should do is announce his shadow ministers and make sure he has some brown and black faces. the Chavez anti-semantic rant is cover to say look the usual suspects, whit upper-class Venezuelans running the country again, you can’t just talk inclusive you have to demonstrate it.

    • race is the 800 pound gorilla and no one talks about this

      I wouldn’t give a gorrilla so much credit. First, I think the race card does exist in Venezuela, but it is not as big of an issue as it is in other parts of the world, centuries of miscegenation being one reason. Second, it’s not that no one talks about the race issue, but rather, that many, even in this blog, try to deny that there is such an issue.

      The fact remains that race and Jewish and gay slurs still have traction in Venezuela. The reasons are several and not helped by denials (no one wants to really talk about the issues, get them out in the open). The undercurrent of reserve about all three labels gives chavista apparatchiks fertile ground, when they sow their seeds of hatred and division in order to conquer and rule.

  19. For those abroad who don’t know who the MUD candidates where

    Couldn’t the MUD political parties find one brown, or black face, their slate looks like
    an RNC list of candidates, you see more brown and black faces with
    the US Democratic parity. the opposition keeps making the same mistake.
    with all the Sh@# Chavez done he still gets 50% of the population do you really believe it’s
    because he gives a few health clinics?

    • Albion, do you think Pérez and Medina are reinrassige Arier or what?
      Yes, there is still a bias on TV, there is one in the top of Primero Justicia,
      but let’s not exaggerate.
      I would have preferred an Ocariz. He is actually very much like the typical Venezuelan of his age. Are you Venezuelan? Because sometimes I have the impression some foreigners think the average Venezuelan is a guy from Barlovento or from Maiquetía-Western Caracas. If you travel all the way through Venezuela you will see things are quite different.

      • I am not Venezuelan, but have lived in the country for nearly 2 decades.
        Race is an issue, as Chavez uses it very subtly. His targeting of Spanish
        and Portuguese farmers has more to to with racism than with agriculture.

        • Albion,
          I know race is an issue. As I said (and I have said it rather frequently), it would be better if PJ had some black people at the top, we also would do good to have a couple of very native American people in Amazonas and Zulia, for instance, where they are a large part of the population. PJ was for too long a club of law students from UCAB.
          And yet it is not as if Pérez or Medina are typical of the Grandes Cacaos or recent musiuos.

          I don’t want to downplay the race issue, but I don’t want to exaggerate it either.
          You can get one person in Venezuela telling the other that other person’s ancestors were oppressing his family when in reality both had a very similar, very mixed background.
          Above all, we have had a crazy amount of resentment because we know shit about history. We need to set history right.

          When Soto came to the Assembly, he had the chuzpah to tell the opposition “ahora estamos aquí los perseguidos y los perseguidores”. In reality most of those “perseguidores” were children when he was shooting at people and some of the “perseguidos” were in reality people like Roger Cordero, a military man who was shooting at HIS people in the eighties…now they both are in the same side.

      • Well, Kepler, are *you* Venezuelan? Your name sounds sound like an étranger! In your reponse to Albionboy, you indicate that “sometimes I have the impression some foreigners think the average Venezuelan is a guy from Barlovento or from Maiquetía-Western Caracas.” First of all, I imagine that you are inferring that a large number of the people that inhabit the areas that you mention are people of color. The fact is that most foreigners do not get to see Barlovento, Western Caracas, or Maiquetia (with the exception of the airport) as they ares not a prime tourist spots for international visitors. Though, I digress, I love the beaches of Rio Chico/Higuerote, particularly Buche.

        Secondly, I have to tell you, anecdotally, that my experience has been the exact opposite in Europe, Canada and the States as it relates to what foreigners think Venezuelans look like. When I have been in those places, I have often had to explain to people that my country is ethnically very very diverse, with many people of color. Unfortunately, the image of Venezuela that foreigners have is that of Miss Universe, whom we all know are typically leche y espuma (to quote a Jose Luis Rodriguez song) – yes there have been a couple of trigueñas in the last ten years, but they have been the exception. Even in some Latin American countries there is very limited knowledge about the ethnic diversity of Venezuela – again, many people having the impression that venezolanos are of the same type as the Miss Universe that they have seen on TV. As an aside, I remember seeing a British interview of Osmel Sousa in which he made disparaging comments about la negritud venezolana.

        Thirdly, I agree with Albionboy about the opposition looking to diversify their candidates so that they are more typical of the average criollo. And, lastly, when was the last time that you were in Venezuela? I am asking because Ocariz is *not* the average bloke that you would find on the streets of Maracaibo, Maracay, Puero Ordaz, Barcelona, Rio Chico, or Guiria.

        • The population has grown rapidly darker. I tell you
          many of the older are/were lighter. The same has happened
          in many other areas of LA-Puerto Rico, even Cuba…

          • Also, many of lighter skins emigrate from troubled areas of Latin America
            leaving the mess to “return to the natives”…

        • Well, Chavista,

          It does happen that I am Venezuelan and I am the typical Venezuelan, with European, native American and sub-Saharan ancestors (more concretely, West-Central Bantu speaking slaves).
          I have cousins who are much darker than Aristóbulo and others who are very light.
          I I am stating pretty clearly those areas have a bigger proportion of African ancestry than the average elsewhere.
          Try to understand this, please:

          Foreigners do go to those places, specially those who are shown around by Chavistas
          about new Chavez missions.
          By the way: apparently you talk to foreigners who watch a lot of
          beauty contests. My experience has been most foreigners think
          most Venezuelans are native American or very dark.

          “Ocariz is *not* the average bloke that you would find on the streets of Maracaibo, Maracay, Puero Ordaz, Barcelona, Rio Chico, or Guiria.”
          Go to see the pictures Juan took of Parapara. Look at the kids in the plaza Bolivar. Those are Venezuelans. As I said: there is a problem with the top echelons of PJ.
          Pérez, from UNT, and most UNT guys are not precisely “leche y espuma”.
          Andrés Velázquez from Causa R and top in Bolivar is not the kind of person I see in Blaubeuren.

          • I have already told you, Kepler, that I am not a Chavista – I am a Venezuelan. In any case, thanks for the link to the abstract. I have been out of academia for a little while, but the sample sizes mentioned (n=60 and n=50) seem kind of small. So, a technical question, since you know about Mitochondrial DNA research: Would you conclude that 21% of the sample from the low SES sample of the population of Caracas is of sub-Saharan ancestry, 42% European, and 36% Amerindian? What about the people like you and I (a mixture of the three)? Is there a way to discern from the study what percentage of the sample *we* would comprise? And I see that you were able to track down your African ancestry down to Bantú speakers – weren’t most slaves that came to the Caribbean from Bantú speaking tribes?

            So, you are a criollo that lives in Blaubeuren? I spent some time in the French city that is not too far away from Balubeuren – you know, the one that is across the river from Kehl. Y no habían muchos criollos por esos lares!

            Lastly, I agree that el gordo Velazquez is more representative of the people of Bolivar than the current PJ leadership is of the people of Venezuela. And, again, as Albionboy mentioned this fact is the proverbial gorilla in the room and likely to have serious consequences in the upcoming elections.

          • I have lived in many countries and have found that Venezuelans
            are not racist buy nature, what makes Chavez so despicable
            is that he has tried to use race to win elections.
            Where the opposition has played into Chavez hands is their
            indifference to race, as being important in elections.
            As Venezuela has become poorer the “Haves and Have Nots”
            become more aware of racial differences, as in Nazi Germany Hitler’s
            message did not resonate till the economic collapse of the Weimar Republic.
            Paradoxically the biggest beneficiary of Venezuela’s economic decline
            has been Chavez, the less in the pot the more easier for him
            to play one group against another. which is why Castro is not
            interested in improving the Cuban economy ether.

            • I don’t want to wade into this whole didamel politics debate. I literally just mean, you can’t open a newspaper in north America these days but there is another article on gustavo dudamel. I had the chance to see him when he was mostly just famous in Venezuela.

            • Evidently, those who criticize Abreu’s coziness with chavismo have never heard of pragmatism. Instead, they denounce without providing alternatives..

              When Chávez first came to power, he did not want to fund El Sistema, calling it something along the lines of ‘music for oligarcas’.. It took some convincing that this project was worthwhile. And once the relatively deep pockets of the government were tapped, El Sistema iflourished, way beyond national borders.

              Yes, it’s unfortunate that support has to come from a source that is unpalatable to many. But I firmly believe that Abreu’s cardinal responsibility is to the children and to the growth of his very worthwhile project, no matter who is in charge of the political fabric. If that means cozying up to chavismo, well so be it.

              What is unfortunate is the government’s use of El Sistema in its propaganda efforts. Regardless, Abreu’s responsibility to the children is cardinal, no matter what government is in office.

  20. I have not always been the biggest fan of Jackson Diehl of the Washington Post, but this editorial is right on target:

    I think we can say that the battle for international opinion has been won. Chavez is no longer portrayed as merely “outspoken” or a “clown”. He is being viewed internationally as we see him: Very dangerous. The attacks on HCR have also earned him nearly universal condemnation abroad.

    It has been a good week.

    • I’m sure Chavez must be worried about that, as Assad in Syria, or
      Robert Mugabe Zimbabwe, he must be up late at night
      For guys like him his “international image” can be tossed as
      easily as an empty beer can

  21. A point of view worth considering is what opportunities this election brings to Israel. As they could be big winners in a change of Venezuelan government in a couple of ways. A Capriles administration would be the most natural ally of Israel in LatAm, given his Jewish heritage. Also due to addition by subtraction, as no longer having Hugo Chavez as president would silence the most anti-Israeli leader and biggest supporter of Iran in the region.

    Israel may be able to help the opposition in several ways, the ones that most readily come to mind are:
    1) Financing, better done discreetly as not to fall for the “Empire funded puppet opposition” discourse just as Sumate did and that Chavez as this post points out would love to stick to Capriles. So it could use various NGOs, Colegio Ebraica, Jewish businesspeople, etc. to give donations to the campaign.
    2) Communications, it is well known that the opposition phones are tapped, so secure communications has to be a concern within the MUD (maybe GTAveledo can confirm, without giving up any secrets). Therefore, setting up a trustworthy network is imperative. While they are at it, maybe even enter into a bit of counterespionage and have a Cuban G2 versus Israeli Mossad playing out in the Caribbean.

    I understand if Israel doesn’t rub everyone in the best way (including myself), but this should be of some strategic importance to the Israeli state who would be more than happy to see an opposition victory and hence be very willing to help.

  22. Chávez has to be operated, new lesion 2 cm big, he said there are no metastasis (I think this is a definition problem, if). At 15:00 on VTV

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