Esteban comes out of his concha. Time for a Live Blog.
1:15 – Wow, that’s how long I could take that…
1:06 – The murderer of Maracay is the victim in all this. Throw the stone, hide the hand. Man, I’d forgotten how irritating watching a full cadena is.
1:00 – “Each time something like this happens the opposition continues to delegitimize itself.” I don’t think I’ve ever seen it so plainly stated. Otro peine más.
12:57 - The game here is clear: 2012=2002. The only way to sidestep it is to simply ignore it.
12:55 - The provocation strategy over the Cuadernos just won’t play…if we don’t respond.
12:52 - The Cuaderno power-play was obviously a play from on high.
12: 50 – “Sunday saw an important process – we should congratulate them. That’s the road.” Apparently hay un camino.
12:48 - “Now Carmona has his candidate.”
12:45 – Henrique Capriles = Jean Marie Le Pen. Wow, now the guy is a French gay nazi zionist TFP guy.
12:40 - Casquillo, casquillo y más casquillo. Nothing new here.
12:36 - “Watch out for that little bourgeois discourse on Unity.”
12:35 – The Chávez Primary is in Full Swing – anoints Rangel Gomez for another term.
12:27 - Chávez in Catedra Bolivariana mode. Boooo-ring.
12:19 – 13 years on, people are still sending pleas for help to Chávez in little folded up bits of paper. #EsQueNoAprendenCoño!
12:12 - OK, I can’t follow this guy much longer. Back when(/if) Esteban steps up.
12:10 – “Los neo-esclavistas sumisos a las ordenes del imperio” DRINK!
12:09 – For once in my life, I actually want to hear what Chávez has to say…and he won’t say it!
12:07 - Worst. Cadena. Ever. Let the lunatic rant, coño!
12:04 - OK, time for an El Aissami drinking game: “el imperio retrogrado y decadente” – DRINK!
11:59 - I suppose chavistas keep speeches like this at the ready on their desktop so they can cut-and-paste it in case they need to give it at the last minute. Bolívar…bla bla…sovereignty…bla bla…Zzzzzzzzz.
11:58 - El Aisszzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzami.
11: 55 – Tarek El Aissami takes the podium.
11:53 - Brown-nose-a-thon…man! Glad that’s over.
11:52 - Clearly nobody there is paying any attention to Rangel Gómez
11:50 – Governor Rangel Gómez takes the podium. Wait, Chávez won’t speak? (Didn’t quite catch the Speaker line up.)
11:49 - Simon Bolivar is the only Venezuelan whose name isn’t immediately followed by his cedula number.
“13 years on, people are still sending pleas for help to Chávez in little folded up bits of paper.”
The guy said that he has rooms full of papers years ago. Probably he got rid of those when he gave space to some damnificados in Miraflores.
He’s on. Starting the same way he usually does. The record is 9 hours and 38 minutes, I think. Will he try to break it today? You can stay tuned, because I won’t. Champions League is another channel. I lost the Barsa game yesterday. Today I have the right to watch Benifica.
Chavez loves the poor.
Answer: Yes, he loves the poor so much, he wants more of them.
The only successful industry in venezuela today is the production of beggers.
not true. We also are very good at brain and capital exports.
Absolutely true, sir. Well played.
Can you see him? Does he wear glasses? Does he have his green uniform with red shirt? Or the tricolor jacket?
He’s on head of state mode. The sash and the jewelery. Enfluxado.
Does he have our First Caudillo’s golden sword?
Didn’t saw it. Speaking of that…
Catedra Bolivariana. I studied that in Bachillerato. As a history fan, I liked it but is the proof that the cult of Bolivar was alive and well weel before Chavez, at least it wasn’t everywhere. #SimonYoTeQuieroPero…
Call the ABN guy to check what he says about Chávez fancy clothing. I mean, he was irked about Capriles’ suit and tie…
agree about the irk.
Ordinarily, after any oppo success story, Chavez appears in his les-voy-a-amedrentar army get-up. But it seems he’s trying to do a one-upmanship on Capriles’ suit and tie.
Well, it was a session of the National Assembly… Military attire has never been used there by him.
Not yet.
“13 years on, people are still sending pleas for help to Chávez in little folded up bits of paper. #EsQueNoAprendenCoño!”
You need to see it the other way around: after 13 years of “poder popular”, the ONLY way anyone can even hope to get those in power to listen to their problems is by sending little pieces of paper that they know Chavez won’t read.
Rangel Gomez again? I think we can take back Bolivar in December. #BuenasNoticiasParaAndres
Who have it worst: The football players in St.Petersburg, playing at 15 degrees below zero or the crowd listening to Chavez in Ciudad Bolivar with all the heat. Here’s the catch: The game in Russia will end in less than two hours, the cadena only Esteban knows.
He compared HCR with Le Pen? He cannot be serious…
Yes. He was referring to an interview in which Le Pen was quoted as saying that in social matters, he was a Socialist; in economic matters, a Capitalist, and in governmental matters, a Nationalist. Using this, he tried to claim that Capriles was some sort of “Frankenstein” cobbled together from various parts, meaning ideologically inconsistent.
Actually, it wasn’t a bad argument, but I think it went over the heads of most of his audience.
Probably the average venezuelan would ask “Le que?”, but to compare HCR to a very extremist figure like Jean Marie Le Pen (who’s retired now) or even his daughter Marine, who’s is running for President aganist Sarkozy, is wrong.
Geha,
I don’t think even Chavez really knew who he was. In fact, he had to ask someone to help him recall the name. He was only using that one quote to make his point.
Maybe some adviser told him to compare HCR to Le Pen. Maybe it was Fidel.
Well, look who’s talking… He is:
Maoista in China
Peronista in Argentina
Velasquista in Perú
Bolivariano here
Naserista in Egypt
Thank you, Quico for just trying to keep up with a cadena. I gave up a long time ago.
Did anybody but me hear somebody (maybe Diosdado?) finishing his every phrase and giving him tips on what to say about Maracay or how to complete every list? It was very clear when listening it to it via headphones. I thought it was odd.
Overall, it wasn’t his best performance. I didn’t see much real enthusiasm from the crowd except when he said something funny or when he got to points of obligatory applause.
Thought: The tricolor needs to start defusing some of the vocabulary he uses: “Bergueses” “Capitalistas”, “Yanquis”
Interestingly, the word “Yankee” was invented by the British in the Revolutionary War. It was used to refer to the colonists in a dismissive manner. Instead of rejecting the term, the revolutionaries adopted it instead and wore it with pride.
In any case, there are many ways to take control of the debate and to hijack the other side’s vocabulary.
it’s already happening, Roy. Today, Capriles has stated: “Cada uno de los venezolanos le vamos a dar un knockout al gobierno.”
With the word “burgueses”, they need to start by simply dissecting it. Literally, the word simply means “city dwellers” or “city people”. The word entered the Marxist dialectic, because 100 years ago, the majority of the population did not live in cities. Marx used this division to paint a demographic division.
In today’s Venezuela, the majority of the population are “burgueses”. Imagine a rally in which people from the city and “el campo” stand up together and proclaim, “Nosotros somos los burgueses y los camposinos, y todos somos los Venezolanos!”
Somewhat, but not entirely, OT:
The MUD message on the voting rolls has been inconsistent since yesterday. First, the young leaders assured that 100 percent were burned, but Leopoldo and RJ Medina were more ambiguous, hinting that they were “protected”. Today, Albanes says “they are safe”. This is worrying.
Agreed.This needs a decisive clarification from the MUD. No guabineo. The truth.
so the photograph that appeared in the news, yesterday, to corroborate what now appears to be rumor, was false?
I believe they have burned almost all if not the whole set of books. The problem is the lack of consistency in the language used. However, Albanes never said herself that the books have been burned, but pointed to the rules of the primary, who indicated the process of burn the books the following 48 hours. Matter of formalities.
FWIW, Henrique said during his press conference in Maracaibo the following, taken from Utimas Noticias’ twitter:
“No había descato de ninguna norma. La medida hecha era inejecutable. Si llega después que el material era eliminado…”
Maybe my fears have no other base than fear and some inconsistencies in the language. IMHO, the books are mostly, if not all gone.
I would trust that many, perhaps most, of them have been burned (hence the pictures). But why, then, the ambiguous and even contradictory statements?
Lack of messaging dissipline and/or coordination.
discipline. now is right.
In a videochat with El Universal, Aveledo says literally: Aveledo: En el caso de Aragua una parte de los cuadernos está en manos del CNE. En el resto del país fueron destruidos
https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23EUEnvivo
Those unfortunately where at the car of the MUD coordinator, when hell broke loose.
It sucks, but they took them away from him at gunpoint. They killed an innocent person in the process. The cost for the government is massive compared to the benefit. For only a small group of books, they put their political dominion in Aragua in jeopardy, because the people of that state will respond, not only in October but in December, kicking out Isea and electing Richard Mardo. They really screw it up yesterday.
Sir, you are a wonk. Here’s a badge, wear it proudly.
Me? I could not muster enough concentration to follow the rambling blowhard for more than ten minutes straight.
Maybe a deconstruction of the yarn he’s telling, or of his stage technique (and jokes) helps with the fact that it seems a stream of free association directed at an audience thoroughly unaccustomed to thinking things through. Maybe you are waiting for him to somehow give the word and bestow sense and order to the recent simian cacophony of his minions.
Thanks from the heart. For the public service.
Loro,
Once in a while, and in small doses, it is worthwhile to watch. But, if you only pay attention to what he is saying, your head will explode. Pay attention to the audience and to his body language. I don’t like what he says, but we should “know our enemy”.
I really try to shut out any emotional reaction to the crap he spouts or to the fact that his audience swallows it wholesale. That’s what would make my head explode.
However, not being emotionally connected either way is what puts me off. Boredom and a kind of hangover set in when I realize he’s doing the rhetorical equivalent of a “drunkard’s walk”, or trying a macho/malandro/guapo stance that will just not work on me either way.
That is because you will never ever intend to talk to people who are not in your community.
I am not talking about hard-core Chavistas. If we want to move the ninis, we need
to know how this guy moves and what he is concocting.
No, Kepler, it’s because I see a con man and a bully at work. I just get the “mareo” part and get bored.
Somebody has to analyze his “mareo”, I agree. NOT to design a similar drug (that is impossible, Hugo has the most potent and refined version), but antidotes that will go with treatments to help Venezuelans kick the habit and see and do things for themselves.
Maybe I am an atypical Venezuelan: I avoided the Sabado Sensacional/Gigante, Laura en America, Don Francisco and adeco mitines studiously. They were soul-crushingly inane for me.
And maybe that’s what the ticket is for defeating Hugo for good. Make it apparent to Venezuelans how excruciatingly boring he is when you have no emotional connection and don’t fall for it either way. How he will force you to hear the same crap once again like a disco “rayao” “en cadena”, the same deferred promises, the “mareo”, the failure of a fantasy ideology (Socialism, Cuba, Castro, pricking the gringos, having major league creeps as international buddies) nobody really wants to hear about. What the most “vicious” “attack ads” must do is present the whole Chavez/chavismo setup as boring, deceptive, outdated, repetitive, failed, atavistic, counterproductive, with a yawning, bored, disgusted audience wishing for him to shut up and to #*$% off… Enough! there must be a good alternative.
Loroferoz, don’t consider yourself so unique in tat.
I do know Sábado Sensacional even if I didn’t watch it. I don’t know the other programs you mentioned.
But I don’t think you follow this. That’s not the point. It is not the point how “above” you are of the whole Bolivarian crap.
You don’t convince other people by simply showing your side unless you have made the real effort to know how the others think, from inside
“And maybe that’s what the ticket is for defeating Hugo for good.”
The key is to know thy enemy and you don’t do that just by introspection and building up your image about them. You have to get your hands dirty or endure some listening.
Else, you better go to a u niversity to write utopian papers about your ideal society
Good one Kepler, I agree.
Loroferoz,
I lived the life of ‘ Sabado Sensational ‘and tele-novelas for years in order to share with my family,and even found a corner of me that understands and feels at home with it; and I gradually become ” parte de” the popular culture as a result. This is healthy.
It’s healthy to feel close to and relate to others because it expands our world view and gives us plenty to learn.When I went to Venezuela, it was not with an intention to teach others my culture, it was with the intention of learning something new, and expanding my horizons.Because of it, I gained a big and wonderful family that I stand by and who stands by me to this day.What can be better than that?
The more we expand, the freer we will feel.
There are, in my experience, many angles to being Venezuelan, shared by most Venezuelans, that are definitely different from the brain death-inducing stuff.
Still I know what these shows are about. I avoided them after watching one airing or two.
If I suggest showing that Hugo is boring, it’s because I know it for a fact that many young Venezuelans, irrespective of origin or “sector economico” find the guy and his cadenas un-watchable while sober, and then, vomit inducing. And his “Socialism” a scam disguised as a failed ideology.
analyze this, loro:
Go to: http://www.vtv.gob.ve/ > Videos Destacados > Nuevo intento de la burguesía y sus jefes imperiales será pulverizado por el pueblo (15-02-2012)